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coffeesp00ns  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead

    Historically speaking, Russia seems to like its Tsars, even if they're "elected."

That does seem to be the tale of the tape, doesn't it?

Idunno, maybe it's wishful thinking that makes me see this as a "losing power" move.





kleinbl00  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wish it were. I see it more of a "losing hope" development. Historically speaking, Russia is not the greatest place to live. Putin seems to long for the Stalin era.

b_b  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think it's interesting to look at the similarities and differences. Putin is an old school soviet operative, a KGB man if there ever was one. But curiously, his propaganda is heavily reliant on the Orthodox Church. Obviously this is anathema to the communist ethos. I think it shows that Putin is in no way interested in ideology, and that his Stalinist fantasies are about him wanting the personality cult without the baggage of an ideological framework. Stalin and the other early Bolsheviks were, by all accounts, committed partisans. Putin seems like he believes in nothing but Putin.

kleinbl00  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have you read The Dead Hand? It offers an explanation for the fall of the Soviet Union better than any I've read; the old-schoolers up to Chernenko were all kleptocrats that understood perfectly that the sham that was Communism was supported wholly by the black markets, nepotism and the nomenclatura system while Gorbachev legitimately believed in Communism. So when Gorbachev instituted all these reforms so that Communism could work as intended, the whole artifice crumbled around his ears.

It's a hell of a book. As the guy who turned me onto Richard Pipes, I'd be remiss in not recommending it.

elizabeth  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Does everyone before Chernenko include Lenin? I think he believed in Communism quite a bit considering he's the one that initiated the whole thing in Russia.

kleinbl00  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My readings on the subject argue pretty convincingly that the reason Leninism had so many differences with Marxism is that Leninism allowed for an easier power grab and more opportunities for the nomenclatura to abuse the system. Further, "Leninism" was a moving target that changed according to the whims and needs of Lenin. It's not a far reach to say that the October revolution swept out the royal family and replaced them with a similarly aristocratic system of cronyism; the difference was the former had royal blood while the latter had street cred.

b_b  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

People also often forget that communism, as Marx envisioned it, was an evolution of capitalism, not a system that could be created out of nothing. Russia was not an ideal place for a communist experiment, because you can't redistribute wealth that doesn't exist. Lenin had his sights on Germany before WWI, but settled for his home country because, as you point out, he was an opportunist above all. This brand of opportunism was shared by Stalin and his team. His foreign minister, Molotov, once remarked, "our ideology stands for offensive operations when possible, and if not, we wait." I would guess Putin is familiar with this line of thinking.

kleinbl00  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever accused the Russians of lacking pragmatism.

coffeesp00ns  ·  3562 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was told that Lenin was also trying to "kick start" communism. He didn't want to wait for Marx's evolution of capitalism to happen. Marx, as it was explained to me, basically said things had to get as bad as capitalism could get before the revolution occurred and communism as he saw it came into existence. Lenin wanted to avoid that, mostly because he wanted to see it in his time.

b_b  ·  3559 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Marx had correspondence with the early partisans in Russia. He warned them that they were doomed to failure, and that he wouldn't support their cause. Apparently, he eventually gave them approval, but in a kind of reserved way. Lenin would have been keenly aware of this, but I suppose he decided that either he was smart enough to figure it out, or his ego was such that he really only desired the personality cult. Probably both. Whatever the case, the failure of Russia in WWI was the perfect opportunity to seize control, and it was actually Germany who was responsible for transporting Lenin from Switzerland, where he lived in exile, back to Russia. To them, it was a type of alternative warfare to bring down the czar from within. It's a great lesson in figuring out if the sure is worse than the disease before implementing it.

kleinbl00  ·  3562 days ago  ·  link  ·  

b_b turned me on to Richard Pipes, who despite being an old-school Reagan think tank crony knew a thing or two about communism.

http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-679-64050-9

b_b  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I shall put it in the queue. I'm almost done with the new Judt, which is enlightening. Dead Hand will be my next undertaking.

kleinbl00  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dead Hand is like Postwar but legitimately gripping. It is fully deserving of its pulitzer.

My inside man at USAMRIID backs up all of the truly terrifying biowar shit in it, BTW.

cgod  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The current Patriarch was closely associated with the KGB, that's why he was allowed to become Patriarch. Orthodox church had to be very cooperative to stay in business back in the day and the top brass now is little more than a branch of the security apparatus.