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CrazyEyeJoe  ·  3703 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: JANUS: Searching for a Sound that Doesn’t Exist

Interesting stuff, but I don't know if I could take a whole night of it.

I've started thinking that club music is really where the cutting edge of music is, and probably has been for quite a while. Not that there's nothing happening in other genres, but I frankly haven't heard any rock since... the 90s, or maybe early 2000s that I didn't feel like was just kind of a stylistic rehash. I'm not saying I haven't heard good stuff, but it's never really revolutionary. Rock has been explored from every angle, can it go anywhere else?

In clubs, especially since I moved to England, I've heard some really crazy shit. Stuff that you would never hear on the radio, which makes me feel like I'm living in the future. Not necessarily stuff I'd listen to at home, but it's exciting when you're having a night out, and you feel like the music is just challenging you to live up to its craziness. You could argue that it's fuelled by drugs, but one of the most interesting rock periods (psychedelia) was as well, so I don't necessarily view that as a bad thing.





rjw  ·  3701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agree with the last sentence. Unfortunately I've become pretty jaded about clubbing after being dragged along (almost exclusively) by university friends to the really fucking awful pop club nights. What cool shit have you heard in England?

CrazyEyeJoe  ·  3701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Frankly, I haven't written down the names of anything. As I said, it's usually stuff I wouldn't necessarily listen to at home, but which is cool when I'm dancing my ass off.

rjw  ·  3701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get what you mean. Some stuff just makes you want to move your feet :D

aerowid  ·  3703 days ago  ·  link  ·  

> I've started thinking that club music is really where the cutting edge of music is

... no. Club music is pretty much uniformly simple musically. I have heard all of two electronic dance albums that did anything at all interesting with the music, the rest are just fucking around with synths. "Heeyyyy, check it out! I can make the bass wobble!" is not cutting edge.

Of course I'm not going to stand here and say "nothing in the entire genre is worth listening to" because that would obviously be absurd. So here's an autocounterexample: Caravan Palace. Those guys are genuinely cutting edge. Their music is super theoretically complicated in ways I don't see many other artists doing. They do this thing with diminished chords to make modulations that shouldnt make sense work. And wonderful melodies. That's breaking ground.

But calling caravan palace edm is a stretch: they're a nine person swing band that plays with a synthesizer!

It should be said that there isn't much of a "cutting edge" to be on musically. We figured it all out already, for the most part. That's why John Cage got famous: weird, experimental pieces were the only thing left untouched by composers over the last half millennium. So no matter who you are or what you do musically, chances are pretty darn good you're rehashing old ideas.

"But wait!" You claim, "that can't be right. Edm requires computers to make, it hasn't been around for long at all! How can it have been done before?"

Ah. But there's no difference between a c# played by a computer and a c# played by a violin. The theory is the same, all the computer does is let you play around with timbre. Which opens no new doors theoretically. Edm is exactly as original and cutting edge as nearly all the other music out there: not at all.

I personally predict edm will be remembered like disco.

CrazyEyeJoe  ·  3703 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You seem to think that music begins and ends with tones. I find that to be a reductionist and immature view of the matter. It's kind of like saying that it doesn't matter if it's Michelangelo or your 2 year old son that draws a lady. They're both ladies, it doesn't matter if one is painted with nuance and depth, while the other is a stick figure.

Why don't you go and listen to MIDI arrangements of classical music, if you think timbre is so unimportant? You're sounding like a 16 year old that just learned about musical theory. You want the world to be simple, but it is not.

aerowid  ·  3698 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Innovation in timbre sounds oxymoronic to me. That doesn't mean timbre is unimportant or irrelevant to the music, it means claiming music is "breaking new ground" because of its timbre is laughable. There's no logic to it. There's no such thing as an objectively superior or inferior timbre. No such thing as a more complicated timbre. No such thing as an innovative timbre. Just different timbres and people's subjective opinions of them. Because you like electronic does not make it more innovative or cutting edge.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3702 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Keep 'er civil. Last sentence unnecessary.