> is "how do we distinguish it." Right. I'm telling you why not start at home? Do you understand how to distinguish "consciousness" from "sensory perception" (internally). HN matter does not map, imo. I am telling you your entire camera obscura with a high-dimensional projection screen does not explain the experience of sight. In other words, our presumption as to distinguishing minds based on observation of behavior and interaction is just that presumptuous. We still, in my mind, do not have an answer to the phenomena of the experience of seeing light in our minds. Let's start with sight and then we can move up to "abstract thinking" and the rest of it. p.s. this is deliciously and obscurely related to the topic at hand - great read: Number Archetypes and “Background” Control Theory Concerning the Fine Structure Constant