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Devac  ·  511 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A Physical Definition of Life

A couple quick remarks.

    The Second Law of thermodynamics posits that in an isolated system, entropy – a measure of disorder – invariably increases over time. Life, characterized as a complex, self-sustaining, and self-replicating system, initially appears counter-intuitive to the Second Law, as it generates order from chaos, thereby reducing local entropy. However, life's work in reducing local entropy is counterbalanced by an increase in entropy elsewhere in the universe.

Growing crystals, arguably one of the most regular well-ordered things out there, increases entropy. Local ordering increases global disorder. Local disorder increases global disorder. You're obviously not wrong, but it's important to state the kind of system (in thermodynamic parlance) explicit and in the open. This, in and of itself, is not a cause for life.

    Life can be postulated as an entropic accelerator (dS_life/dt > 0), enhancing the universe's overall entropy. This paradigm provides a thermodynamic perspective to our definition of life, underscoring life's efficiency in contributing to universal entropy.

If you want to be more precise (accelerator-wise), you should postulate dS_life/dt >= dS_noLife/dt > 0 for a given interval t, as dS/dt > 0 is a) an argument you started with, b) a given.

    Life forms (and the devices they create) act as quantum observers. They are capable of collapsing quantum wave functions into definite states through observation, influencing quantum states. This interaction suggests that the definition of life could be expanded to include its unique role within quantum mechanics.

I omniloathe the philosophy of QM, but I suppose that the more Wigner's Friends are involved (I presumed you alluded to it, among other possible interpretations?), the quicker the increase in the growth of entropy. Assuming so and given that, the question should be why the growth in dS be so small in a (monotonically) growing system.

    Considering life from both thermodynamic and quantum mechanical perspectives, life fundamentally contributes to the workings of the universe. These unique interactions provide the basis for refining and improving our physical definition of life, possibly positioning life as an integral component in the universe, rather than an anomalous agent within it.

I'd like it to be so purposeful. But the strength of this argument would also make life both inevitable and more varied than observed so far.

You clearly put a lot of thought to it, I remember you mentioning Heisenberg's On Life (EDIT: not gonna correct it, but god damn past-Devac, you had one job...) and similar musings years ago, so please, don't think I'm nit-picking you or being dismissive. I'd like to help you tighten it to the extent of my time and ability.