I didn't say Mike Lee wasn't a dipshit. What I meant was that he knows better than to espouse what he's espousing. But this is plainly wrong as you know: I don't have any framer boners, but free blacks were counted the same as white people. Slaves were counted as 3/5ths because the northerners said, "Slaves are property not persons, therefore they don't count for the census." Southerns replied, "Go fuck yourself. They're people when we want them to be or we're out." Hence the 3/5th compromise. And hence we for 4 out of our first 5 presidents coming from Virginia. Probably would have been 10/10 had slaves counted as a whole person.The fucking "framers" thought black people were 2/5ths human so the only reasonable response to any sentence that starts "among the framers" is "STFU>FO."