I don't think we're talking about the same thing here. Iny original statement I acknowledge that our government often had to make hard decisions. However, I'm not talking about hard decisions involving war, conflict zones, or people who are open enemies with our country. I am talking about our history of interfering in world affairs and undermining sovereign nations and the rights of their citizens that we aren't at war with. Which is bullshit. Period. I am talking about domestic programs and trends that put our rights as American citizens at risk. Which is also bullshit. Period. I am also saying that when we create programs and precedents that can easily be abused, we're taking nasty risks that sooner or later, someone is gonna try and abuse them. Everyone's afraid of a madman getting their hands on nukes. People should be equally afraid of them getting their hands in other cookie jars.

These are the arguments you aren't addressing, merely handwaving away saying "Oh, rd95, you simple fool. If only you knew how the world really is." You're the one being disingenuous here, not me. So now you're pissed, I'm pissed, neither one of us is listening to each other, and this conversation is getting nowhere. So for now, we're done. Maybe next time this subject comes up, it'll go smoother. We will see then.