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We have engineers that have moved to roles like customer reps and project management. They're roles where the engineering background can be helpful, but the only math they do is adding up their golf scores. For being transferable, not all customer reps or project managers are engineers. They came from other industries or other backgrounds. I think the direction some of my colleagues have gone gives them a lot of flexibility to move to other industries entirely different from the engineering they did right out of school.