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user-inactivated  ·  3436 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Is it possible to achieve high discipline on one's own?

"On one's own" and "for oneself" are different fields, and I'm not touching upon the latter.

Yours and BumpinGumps' views seem to collide. Shall we extract Higgs bosons from it?