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caelum19  ·  3770 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Religion's use.

    Ooh, that's a dangerous argument. You're pretty close to implying that people can't have moral standards without religion, which (trust me) is not where you want to go.
Close one indeed! I don't think you need religion to do anything :)

I meant that when our parents taught us things like "stealing is wrong", they could have POSSIBLY gotten that ideal from highly religous people generations back the family tree.

    Regardless of how governments and societies did form, there's no reason I know of that they couldn't have formed without religion. The mere fact (if it is a fact) that early governments formed around religions only implies that governments can form around religions, not that they can't form not around religions.

I agree, goverments can definitely form without religion. the question is at what speed?