I tend to agree more with ando than with those of you who are luck unbelievers. Could we call you the unlucky? You are mistaking "luck" with "fate." Nothing is fated, but certainly much occurs by chance or coincidence - synonyms for luck.

Luck is defined as events occurring by chance rather than by one's own actions. In this matter, I agree with b_b that you need talent, drive, hard work, persistence, and more talent but you can have all that but not be in the right place, not meet the right person, be on the wrong train and so on -- the inexplicable je ne sais quoi --

For example, I can only explain it as luck or fortuitousness or magic to have caused me to stumble upon hubski because I happened to have the right combination of words that brought up tng's song to my attention about two weeks after he posted it.

Maybe as veen infers, I'm just taking statistics personally. Statistically I would have eventually found hubski -- but the person who found hubski 872 days ago was the person who needed to find hubski just about then.

Arguing against luck seems to be arguing against randomness.

Surely you'll agree that randomness exists. When randomness suits you, it's good randomness; when it works against you, less good.

Edit: I have a feeling I will lose this argument.